A Travel Through Time – and Back

by HTML5 Research
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Somehow… <time> Disappeared

As you might have heard the <time>-element was removed from the HTML5 specification last saturday by Ian “Hixie” Hickson, the editor of the spec. Hixie decided to remove <time> and replace it by the more general <data>-element.

A question that came up: Why got<time> removed and why did nobody stop Hixie?

Well: There Google+. Also we talked about this issue on the (german) podcast Working Draft on monday. I was invited by Christian “Schepp” Schäfer to discuss about some stuff with himself and Marc.

Steve Faulkner was the first one (for what I noticed) that tweeted about that intensively and was really upset by the dropping. Furthermore it was his tweet that encouraged me to keep track of the whole story.

Steve explained on the the mailing-list of the W3C why he likes to revert the changes made by Hixie the day before. Others also liked the time-element and requested a revert.

There were some pretty good blog posts about that topic, as for instance

As it turns out <time> is wildly in use all over the web:

As so many people where effected by the change that was made to the spec and many people though it was a bad decision there was hope that this story was not over yet… And it wasn’t.

Again Steve Faulkner tweeted:

“I feel confident that <time> will be back in the W3C HTML5 specification by the end of the week”

~ Steve Faulkner, 31. Oct 2011 via Twitter

This was a decent statement as you can say by today.
There were proposals on how to deal with <time> and how to improve it for the future and get it back into the spec. A leading role in this process is held by Tantek Çelik. Read his comment on Bruce Lawson’s post. Also Stephanie Sullivan Rewis has some interesting thoughts.

And then – the Turningpoint

Currently the TPAC 2011 is happening which is a conference and meeting of the W3C and its members.
At (Please notice my use of <time> in this case. Nice, right… right?) people of the W3C HTML Working Group met and discussed about <time> and its removal. You could have followed the discussion on IRC on W3C’s channel #html-wg. Here you can find the “minutes” (a transcription) of it. Tantek added this as a point for discussion to the Agenda.

As this all was said, there was a mail on the mailing-list by the Chairs of the HTML WG asking the editor of the spec (Hixie) “for a revert of this change to be completed no later than the end of day on Tuesday 8th of November”. If Hixie will not change this until Tuesday the Chairs will ask the W3C staff “to make this change”. What ever this means then… I have no idea.

Today Tantek began to define some new requirements for the <time>-element and its attribute datetime (especially the syntax of the mentioned attribute).

So what’s the conclusion now?

All the things I mentioned above show how strong the community is and how many people try to get the best out of the tools we have.

Hixie’s decision to remove the <time>-element in favor of the <data>-element was not found democratically by everyone contributing to the HTML5 spec but was a bossy behavior.

Personally I learnd a lot about the process within the W3C, the WHATWG, how the specification is build, and so on asf… This was pretty good and I feel good about how things work.

I hope there are more people who like keep a little bit more track of what is going on with all the new stuff and be part of decisions that are made.

Thank you for reading all the words I wrote.

Thank you Steve, Tantek, thank you Eric Eggers, Shelley Powers, thank you everyone who was able to do something about the odd removal of <time>. You guys rockkk!


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